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Offline Waterlogged

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Anyone have a Fastferment they could comment on.
« on: August 06, 2014, 01:04:42 PM »
Found this on the American Home Brewers website and it looks really cool.  Wall mounted conical fermentor with yest collector and tubing.  My only concern would be temperature control.  Anyway, they are 90 apeaice or if you order 4, $80.  They also ship to canada but then it is $120 or 105 for 4.  Would anyone be interested in ordering 1 of 4?

https://www.thefastrack.ca/main
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Re: Anyone have a Fastferment they could comment on.
« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2014, 01:21:18 PM »
I too like the idea, but the temp control issue is too big to overlook for me. I've been looking at glycol systems to add to the wish list, but I think that's a bit ambitious at this point, haha.
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Re: Anyone have a Fastferment they could comment on.
« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2014, 02:11:10 PM »
It's an interesting idea but i think it's overpriced for a plastic fermenter. You can get a "SS Brew Bucket" for twice that price and it'll last forever. Also you can get a kit to turn a sanke keg into a presure fermenter.

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Re: Anyone have a Fastferment they could comment on.
« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2014, 02:59:42 PM »
I see these are now available at Noble Grape for $119. Wall mount included, but a floor stand is available for $40 and a carrying strap is $20.

The manufacturer says the height on the floor stand to the top of the airlock is 37". I think I can fit that in my keezer/ferm chamber.

I might just be buying one of these once the "Don't buy anything for yourself before Christmas" ban is over. I really like the idea of separating the yeast and then racking directly from the bottom of the conical without having to sanitize/use a siphon. Hot oxiclean should make cleaning simple too.
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Re: Anyone have a Fastferment they could comment on.
« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2014, 09:20:37 AM »
I do like this setup but am concerned about temp control.  I guess a heating belt would fit around this.
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Re: Anyone have a Fastferment they could comment on.
« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2015, 01:54:16 PM »
I pulled the trigger on one of these a few weeks ago, and have just finished my first ferment cycle with one. The short story is that it works great and is a pretty good value.

I did a lot of reading on this thing before using it and there's a long thread on HBT that documents a lot of best practices and problems people ran into. One of the main concerns for people is that the lid doesn't seal, but mine didn't have a problem. I used teflon tape on the threaded connections, performed a leak test and cleaned and sanitized.

The common suggestion was to wait 12 hours for the kettle cold break to settle into the ball, dump that and then pitch. I decided to follow this advice, but I may not do this in the future due to the preference of having yeast working as quick as possible to defend against infection.

The unit on the stand fit perfectly into my keezer (with collar). I used a blowoff as the airlock was too high for the lid to close. This fermentation was done quite quickly, it was within two points after 3.5 days. At this point, I wanted to harvest the yeast but couldn't get at the ball when it was in the keezer as it was awkward. So I pulled the fermenter out at this point and left it out. I do this with most of fermentations anyway, as my Keezer does double duty serving and controlling fermentation temps. I usually do 4-5 days in the keezer, then 7-10 days at room temp.

I've got pictures below of the yeast just before my first harvest. I shut the valve off and let it settle for a couple hours and you can see where the yeast started to settle above the valve. You can also see where the yeast in the ball continued to ferment, so when I disconnected I had a bit of a mess. Overall, I got a mason jar about 3/4 full of slurry. I use a hop spider so this yeast looks pretty clean.

When I reconnected the ball and opened the valve, the yeast was very slow to go back into the collection ball, but it eventually all did after a couple hours. At one point I thought I could just open the valve and dump the trub into a bucket, but now I can see that it wouldn't work and I'd likely lose a lot of beer.

On keg day, I lifted this rig onto the counter top to get some height. Side note- this rig is awkward, the straps they sell make it manageable. To keg, all you have to do is remove the collection ball, and attach a hose attachment and let it rip. This thing drained into the keg in about 60 seconds. I'm slightly concerned with how fast that went and potential splashing that could lead to oxidation. I will slow it down on the next try.

Anyway, like I said I'm happy with this and think it's a great value. Let me know if you have any questions!
« Last Edit: March 30, 2015, 01:57:57 PM by Two Wheeler »
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Re: Anyone have a Fastferment they could comment on.
« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2015, 02:49:38 PM »
Cool. Thanks for the update. The fellas a NG said they've sold many, many of these.
The design is interesting and I can see that'it can be a bit cumbersome in certain situations.

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Re: Anyone have a Fastferment they could comment on.
« Reply #7 on: April 01, 2015, 08:56:16 AM »
I had read some reviews that mentioned it was difficult getting a seal on the ball/valve area. I assume you used teflon there as well?
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Re: Anyone have a Fastferment they could comment on.
« Reply #8 on: April 01, 2015, 09:08:04 AM »
Yes I did, and no issues at all
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Re: Anyone have a Fastferment they could comment on.
« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2015, 01:28:34 AM »
Not to bring alive an old topic, but have been reading up on these recently and I am interested in getting one.

My only question, as I don't keg, and put my beer in bottles, using this pretty much eliminates any batch priming to bottle, since you are using it for both primary and secondary, the ring of krausen on the top would get mixed back into the beer once you add the priming sugar and give it a stir so it is mixed thoroughly. I suppose one could dump into a bucket to batch prime, but then that kind of defeats the purpose of the whole thing.

So then the only alternative is to bottle prime (which is a PITA), or the carbonation drops (pricey)?

I suppose you could gently stir it, trying not to disturb the left over krausen on the sides, but wouldn't really want to get it into the beer it self. Filter it maybe?

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Re: Anyone have a Fastferment they could comment on.
« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2015, 07:51:39 AM »
It should be pretty straight forward. Gently siphon or attach a tube to the drain end and let it fill your bottling bucket with your pre measured amount of priming sugar and water. You never want to stir your beer because you'll likely oxidize it. Just the action of it filling the bucket will sufficiently mix your sugar solution throughout the beer for batch priming. I don't personally have one but this how I'd do it if I was bottling. Maybe @Two Wheeler  has some advice for ya.

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Re: Anyone have a Fastferment they could comment on.
« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2015, 09:24:31 AM »
I have not personally bottled from the FF, but I have read some people have online. There's a mega thread on HBT that people have discussed this. But what Roger is saying would work just fine too... as long as you gently rack into the bottling bucket you shouldn't have a problem.
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Re: Anyone have a Fastferment they could comment on.
« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2015, 08:31:55 PM »
Yeah, basically what I do now, rack from secondary carboy into a bottling bucket, I never stir it, put the boiled water/priming sugar in the bucket, hose reaches the bottom of the bucket so it is just the force of the auto siphon that mixes it...never had an issue. Just figured it was an extra step with the FF, but didn't see a way around it with out disturbing the caked krausen at the top.

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Re: Anyone have a Fastferment they could comment on.
« Reply #13 on: November 07, 2015, 08:26:54 AM »
If you rigged something up to connect the bottle filler wand (http://www.ontariobeerkegs.com/Plastic_Bottle_Filler_Home_Brew_Beer_Bottling_p/plastic-bottle-filler.htm) to the bottom of your FF you could always bottle directly and use carbonation tablets (http://www.ontariobeerkegs.com/Brewer_s_Best_Conditioning_Tablets_p/bb-conditioning-tablets.htm).
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