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Brewing => Equipment => Topic started by: ECH on March 27, 2014, 12:39:28 AM

Title: Turkey Fryer?
Post by: ECH on March 27, 2014, 12:39:28 AM
Found this on Home Hardware.

http://homehardware.ca/en/rec/index.htm/Outdoor-Living/Seasonal/Barbecues/Outdoor-Burners/Propane/30-Quart-Stainless-Steel-Turkey-Fryer-Boiler-Set/_/N-2pqfZ67l/Ne-67n/Ntk-All_EN/R-I6420770?Ntt=turkey+fryer (http://homehardware.ca/en/rec/index.htm/Outdoor-Living/Seasonal/Barbecues/Outdoor-Burners/Propane/30-Quart-Stainless-Steel-Turkey-Fryer-Boiler-Set/_/N-2pqfZ67l/Ne-67n/Ntk-All_EN/R-I6420770?Ntt=turkey+fryer)

30quart (7.5gallon) SS pot with spigot valve, with 38000btu propane burner, plus a bunch of extras.

$110+HST, worth investing in for someone starting out with partial grain with the aspirations of getting into full grain eventually?
Title: Re: Turkey Fryer?
Post by: Chris Craig on March 27, 2014, 06:50:12 AM
I think we all started out with a kit like this at some time.  However, the faucet will do you no good.  You won't get any fittings for it to connect tubing...
Title: Re: Turkey Fryer?
Post by: DandyMason on March 27, 2014, 07:46:16 AM
Not bad options without propane...

http://www.homehardware.ca/en/rec/index.htm/Outdoor-Living/Seasonal/Barbecues/Accessories/Miscellaneous/28L-Aluminum-Turkey-Fryer-Pot/_/N-2pqfZ67l/Ne-67n/Ntk-All_EN/R-I6320546?Ntt=turkey+fryer

http://www.homehardware.ca/en/rec/index.htm/Outdoor-Living/Seasonal/Barbecues/Accessories/Miscellaneous/50L-Stainless-Steel-Turkey-Fryer-Pot/_/N-2pqfZ67l/Ne-67n/Ntk-All_EN/R-I6320547?Ntt=turkey+fryer

Not sure what your plan was, but doing a partial with propane might be difficult... Probably easier on the stove
Title: Re: Turkey Fryer?
Post by: ECH on March 27, 2014, 09:46:51 AM
Why would be any different with a propane burner than is someone had a propane stove? (or a regular stove for that matter) Just taking the burner and the moisture from the boil out of the house.

The spigot valve had me wondering if it could be used. If nothing else, at least is a pre-drilled hole for a ball valve.

Title: Re: Turkey Fryer?
Post by: DandyMason on March 27, 2014, 10:10:57 AM
Why would be any different with a propane burner than is someone had a propane stove? (or a regular stove for that matter) Just taking the burner and the moisture from the boil out of the house.

The spigot valve had me wondering if it could be used. If nothing else, at least is a pre-drilled hole for a ball valve.

Well I dont do partials but you will be working with only a few Litres at a time I assume? You will boil off quicker with propane, you will need to turn it way down or boil more.  And maintaining temp for any type of mash/steep might be tougher with propane... Definitely do-able, just seems like it might be a bit more difficult. Just my opinion
Title: Re: Turkey Fryer?
Post by: Al-Loves-Wine on March 27, 2014, 10:27:33 AM
Well I think it would be a good starter to get you going. Like Dan mentioned, your steeping will be the only complicated part. But you would be alright as long as you did your steeping inside your house/shed/garage where you didn't lose much temperature. Then you could move outside for your boil. I did a partial about a month ago on my stove top, covered my old aluminum pot and it actually held temps quite well for an hour which had surprised me.

You should seriously consider coming to a mashoccur, or one of the meetings. You will go home with your head spinning with information. Chris can give you the details if you're interested.
Title: Re: Turkey Fryer?
Post by: feldmann on March 27, 2014, 10:32:51 AM
If I bought one of the 7.5 gallon pots is there anyone in the club that can put a spigot on it?
Title: Re: Turkey Fryer?
Post by: Al-Loves-Wine on March 27, 2014, 10:42:55 AM
If I bought one of the 7.5 gallon pots is there anyone in the club that can put a spigot on it?

Club has a tool set you can sign out, should be a sign out sheet in Member section.
Title: Re: Turkey Fryer?
Post by: ECH on March 27, 2014, 10:52:59 AM
Would love to come to a meeting, unfortunately your meetings are Saturday afternoon, and I have a home based business (hobby shop) that Sat. afternoon is probably one of my busiest times.

My plan is to start with a partial grain kit (1 or 2), to get the feel of it, and in the process make a mash tun (usual drink cooler method) and go full grain afterwards.

Just thought this set up would be a good starting point so I am not buying more equipment when I do go full grain later on.

I guess my question would be to anyone that has seen this pot, is the spigot valve welded to the pot? Or threaded and held on with nuts?
Title: Re: Turkey Fryer?
Post by: Chris Craig on March 27, 2014, 11:33:21 AM
If I bought one of the 7.5 gallon pots is there anyone in the club that can put a spigot on it?

Club has a tool set you can sign out, should be a sign out sheet in Member section.

Yeah, there's a punch that we bought specifically for this, but you'll need a weldless bulkhead and 1/2" ball valve.  Do you have those already?
Title: Re: Turkey Fryer?
Post by: pliny on March 27, 2014, 11:56:50 AM
Get this and have it done with. No running around to save 10 bucks.

http://www.ontariobeerkegs.com/8_Gallon_Brew_Kettle_p/8-weldless-.htm

Title: Re: Turkey Fryer?
Post by: blisster on March 27, 2014, 12:04:04 PM
Get this and have it done with. No running around to save 10 bucks.

http://www.ontariobeerkegs.com/8_Gallon_Brew_Kettle_p/8-weldless-.htm

Ditto.. It's well worth the extra few dollars. You'll save in the end and it will make things much easier for yourself.
Title: Re: Turkey Fryer?
Post by: Roger on March 27, 2014, 12:14:59 PM
Get this and have it done with. No running around to save 10 bucks.

http://www.ontariobeerkegs.com/8_Gallon_Brew_Kettle_p/8-weldless-.htm
You'll still need to buy a burner though.
Title: Re: Turkey Fryer?
Post by: ECH on March 27, 2014, 12:22:41 PM
That's the thing, sure I save $10 on the pot, but the Home Hardware one comes with the burner, which separately is about $50. So in the end I am saving about $40 with the HH set up.

I do like the OBK pot though.

Wife wants to keep the boiling out of the house if at all possible. I have a coleman propane camp stove, just not sure if it would put out enough heat even with both burners to get 5 gallons to a boil. And I don't think the side burner on the BBQ would be enough to do it, nevermind the amount of weight on the side of the BBQ.
Title: Re: Turkey Fryer?
Post by: Roger on March 27, 2014, 12:42:48 PM
Looks like a good deal to me I might get one of these for outdoor or social brewing since my electric setup is quite stationary. If the spigot sucks you can change it I can help you with that I built 3 kettles last year and have helped some other members punch holes. It's not very hard though. But if you need to find adapters for it you can likely find what you need at Eddy group one of our members Fhilo works there and can help you find almost anything you need to make it work.
  :cheers:
Title: Re: Turkey Fryer?
Post by: jeffsmith on March 27, 2014, 02:52:49 PM
Kent usually carries a 48qt aluminum pot and 70K btu burner for a little over $100 in the summer. Got through a couple years of brewing with it.
Title: Re: Turkey Fryer?
Post by: Chris Craig on March 27, 2014, 03:04:12 PM
I started out with this:

http://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/aluminum-turkey-fryer-36-qt-0853230p.html#.UzRn461dXWw

It was plenty big enough for 5 gallon batches and it's only $89
Title: Re: Turkey Fryer?
Post by: Chris Craig on March 27, 2014, 03:06:00 PM
Hmmm.  I didn't look at the price at HH.  This is bigger and cheaper.
Title: Re: Turkey Fryer?
Post by: ECH on March 27, 2014, 05:26:18 PM
But Aluminum as opposed to SS.

Everything I am reading tells me to stay away from Aluminum for brewing.

I did look at that one first and thought great, but then I saw that it was aluminum.
Title: Re: Turkey Fryer?
Post by: feldmann on March 27, 2014, 05:32:02 PM
I'm shopping around for a new brew kettle at the moment as well. My current pot is aluminum and I've had no problems with it, it just isn't big enough.

http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f11/faq-aluminum-pots-boil-kettles-49449/
Title: Re: Turkey Fryer?
Post by: Chris Craig on March 27, 2014, 05:33:46 PM
There's nothing wrong with aluminum kettles. Here's a good article to read. http://beersmith.com/blog/2010/08/17/aluminum-vs-stainless-best-beer-brewing-pots/
Title: Re: Turkey Fryer?
Post by: brew on March 27, 2014, 09:08:11 PM
Yeah and if u get the weldless bulkhead spigot from obk u can bring over your pot if u want and we'll install it for u. Roger and lots of others in the club can help u as well if u want to sign out the punch...
Title: Re: Turkey Fryer?
Post by: Dave Savoie on March 29, 2014, 09:32:26 AM
That brew kettle is fantastic for the price I would say $100 plus shipping and $39.99 for a burner from walmart or kents is your best route
Title: Re: Turkey Fryer?
Post by: Chris Craig on March 30, 2014, 05:58:03 PM
You can get a pretty good burner from Canadian Tire for $49.  http://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/outdoor-living/bbqs-smokers-accessories/propane-deep-fryers/masterchef-stand-fryer-0853259p.html#.UziEcK1dUvk

A couple of our members have this.  I'm picking one up as a second burner tomorrow.
Title: Re: Turkey Fryer?
Post by: ECH on March 31, 2014, 12:12:21 AM
Think I will get one as well. Was going to pick one up on Amazon.com, but is only a couple bucks cheaper, so by the time you factor in the shipping and US exchange, it is much cheaper at CT.


Ended up picking up the 8 gallon brew pot at OBK, among a few other things.
Title: Re: Turkey Fryer?
Post by: Evil Jalapeno on March 31, 2014, 08:20:16 AM
You can get a pretty good burner from Canadian Tire for $49.  http://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/outdoor-living/bbqs-smokers-accessories/propane-deep-fryers/masterchef-stand-fryer-0853259p.html#.UziEcK1dUvk

A couple of our members have this.  I'm picking one up as a second burner tomorrow.

I was looking at that one very recently. Would 60,000 BTUs be powerful enough to bring 10 gal batches to a rolling boil?
Title: Re: Turkey Fryer?
Post by: brew on March 31, 2014, 08:24:36 AM
I was looking at that one very recently. Would 60,000 BTUs be powerful enough to bring 10 gal batches to a rolling boil?
Mine is a 65K burner from kents - came with an almost 50L aluminum kettle which I used for a year or so before I came into a keggle (I still use it for heating strike and sparge water). Those burners are way more than adequate for a 10G batch, you can get a very intense boil out of them I always turned mine down so as to not overdo my OG...
Title: Re: Turkey Fryer?
Post by: Chris Craig on March 31, 2014, 08:43:57 AM
Oh yeah.  I think Fhilo is brewing 10 gallon batches using a 30000BTU burner.
Title: Re: Turkey Fryer?
Post by: Al-Loves-Wine on March 31, 2014, 09:13:03 AM
I've been doing 10 on my really super crappy 30k turkey fryer burner. But with those you have to modify the timer so it stays on, zip ties work well.

But I also have one like Chris linked from CT for my HLT on the gravity stand , and they do work pretty well, and they are much cleaner burning than those cheap turkey fryer setups. I am going to get rid of it fairly soon though, cause it turns my kettle black every time I use it and go with something better.
Title: Re: Turkey Fryer?
Post by: Evil Jalapeno on March 31, 2014, 10:24:56 AM
Perfect. Last piece of equipment missing for my "official" move to all grain from partial. Just waiting for this shitty weather to end! Thanks for the tips, everyone.
Title: Re: Turkey Fryer?
Post by: ECH on April 01, 2014, 10:30:32 AM
I had stuck this one in my Amazon cart before I saw the one on Canadian Tire, and before I could take it out, my wife bought it. Oh well, pay a bit more after tax and shipping.

Bought it based on one of the reviewers saying he used it for beer making, so figured it had to be a decent one.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0001D32QK/ref=pe_385040_30332200_pe_309540_26725410_item (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0001D32QK/ref=pe_385040_30332200_pe_309540_26725410_item)
Title: Re: Turkey Fryer?
Post by: Chris Craig on April 01, 2014, 11:12:16 AM
Oh well.  It'll do the trick for sure :cheers:
Title: Re: Turkey Fryer?
Post by: pliny on April 01, 2014, 11:51:50 AM
Good price.

You could buy this one and brew inside: http://www.amazon.com/6530-ProChef-3000-Watt-Commercial-Induction/dp/B0037Z7HQ0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1395922509&sr=8-1&keywords=max+burton+6530
Title: Re: Turkey Fryer?
Post by: Chris Craig on April 01, 2014, 12:10:00 PM
I've looked into induction cooktops before.  Unfortunately, the kettles that OBK sells, wouldn't work.  I've read that if a magnet doesn't stick to the pot, induction wouldn't work.
Title: Re: Turkey Fryer?
Post by: ECH on April 01, 2014, 11:05:46 PM
OBK pots are stainless steel, so it should work, but yeah, if a magnet doesn't stick, then it won't work on induction. But if a magnet doesn't stick, then there isn't any steel content in it, or at least very little.
Title: Re: Turkey Fryer?
Post by: Chris Craig on April 02, 2014, 06:59:31 AM
300 series stainless steel isn't magnetic. Unfortunately, most of what you get for brewing is 300 series stainless steel.  Some kettles may have a multi-layer base with a different kind of steel in it.  If that's the case, it may work on an induction burner.

Here's a good article my google-fu turned up: http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2009/11/19/2746568.htm
Title: Re: Turkey Fryer?
Post by: DandyMason on April 02, 2014, 08:47:34 AM
Yeah Ive asked OBK before and their line of pots are not induction compatible.
Title: Re: Turkey Fryer?
Post by: Evil Jalapeno on April 02, 2014, 08:56:45 AM
Here's a great article about induction: http://byo.com/component/k2/item/2967-induction-heat (http://byo.com/component/k2/item/2967-induction-heat)
Title: Re: Turkey Fryer?
Post by: Two Wheeler on April 09, 2014, 10:57:16 AM
I bought the OBK 8 Gallon pot and it's great- can't beat the value with the ball valve and thermometer installed. If I could do it again I'd get a 10g pot though as it's a little tight doing BIAB with 8g
Title: Re: Turkey Fryer?
Post by: Two Wheeler on April 11, 2014, 04:48:30 PM
You can get a pretty good burner from Canadian Tire for $49.  http://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/outdoor-living/bbqs-smokers-accessories/propane-deep-fryers/masterchef-stand-fryer-0853259p.html#.UziEcK1dUvk

A couple of our members have this.  I'm picking one up as a second burner tomorrow.

I just picked one up today, hoping to get a brew in tomorrow morning and still make the meeting. Anyone able to give me an idea of the boil off rate with this fryer? The last couple batches have been on the stove and haven't had a very strong boil, so I want to get beersmith close to accurate.
Title: Re: Turkey Fryer?
Post by: Chris Craig on April 11, 2014, 05:39:00 PM
Try to keep it at a gentle boil. Start with a 1 gallon/hr boil off rate.
Title: Re: Turkey Fryer?
Post by: Chris Craig on April 11, 2014, 06:50:46 PM
This is one factor that you'll just have to get a feel for.  It depends solely on how much gas you feed your boil.
Title: Re: Turkey Fryer?
Post by: Chris Craig on April 11, 2014, 08:16:34 PM
I put mine together today.  The stand is a bit flimsy compared to the Blichmann (duh!), but it has a 10psi regulator, and it's pretty easy to adjust the venturi tube to get a nice clean blue flame.  It's also quite a bit louder than the Blichmann, but considering it's 60 000 BTU for $50, I think it's a steal.
Title: Re: Turkey Fryer?
Post by: Two Wheeler on April 11, 2014, 09:58:39 PM
Thanks Chris, I'll hopefully be able to report back on it tomorrow. I'm a little nervous of the noise scaring the neighbors, as I'll be brewing on my apartment balcony. Although from all the equipment they've seen me carting in here over the last year I think they'll be glad to see it's not a meth lab.
Title: Re: Turkey Fryer?
Post by: Chris Craig on April 11, 2014, 10:10:11 PM
It's not too loud.  Have you tried it out yet?
Title: Re: Turkey Fryer?
Post by: Two Wheeler on April 11, 2014, 10:22:00 PM
Nope, just put it together, firing up early am. Doesn't see. Like I need to worry too much about an initial burn off eh?
Title: Re: Turkey Fryer?
Post by: Chris Craig on April 11, 2014, 10:34:40 PM
You're going to burn off the paint on the supports for sure.  It'll have a chemical smell, but it should only take 20 minutes or so.  Basically by the time your strike water is heated.  Happy brew day!
Title: Re: Turkey Fryer?
Post by: pliny on May 06, 2014, 03:24:22 PM
Here, get this - you'll be good for a while.

http://www.kijiji.ca/v-bbq-outdoor-cooking/fredericton/propane-tank/584814730?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true