New Brunswick Craft Brewers Association
Uncategorized Boards => General => Topic started by: matt_wolf on October 17, 2012, 03:14:39 PM
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Anybody taken a run at cloning Dark and Stormy Night?
I've got these two to go on so far-
The first one thanks to Dave S., but I dont' think he's actually made it yet
13 lbs. American 2-row
15 lbs. White Wheat Malt
1 lbs. American Chocolate Malt
1 lbs. American Caramel 60°L
0.75 lbs. Black Roasted Barley
2.50 oz. Hallertauer Hersbrucker (Pellets, 4.50 %AA) boiled 60 min.
Yeast : Fermentis US-05 Safale US-05
Original Gravity 1.051
Terminal Gravity 1.012
Color 21.80 °SRM
Bitterness 19.1 IBU
Alcohol (%volume) 5.1 %
than of course there's the brewer's log-
Recipe: Grain: Organic Torrified Wheat, Organic Pilsner, Organic Caramunich, Organic Carafa, Organic Munich.
Hops in at start of boil and then at 20 minutes.
Obviously I'd be winging it in terms of grain proportions, but I'm thinking 45%, 45%, 3%, 3%,3% would get you close.
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I'd go with the brewer's log - you can probably ditch the pilsner for 2-row and not lose much, as well as just using non-organic. I'd roll with 40/40/10/5/5.
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Also, if you want it to be anything like Pics you'll need to trade the 05 for 04, or better still - ringwood. The 05 will be much cleaner and drier - the 04 is less attenuative, so leaves a little more sweetness that you need to balance.
Hop details, mash details, etc are all in the log, so just copy those - I'd guess about 1oz of Hallertau @ 60 and 1oz Tettnang @ 20 will see you right...
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we need a "Like" button
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That's twice in one day we told this guy that there is a membership fee. Let's give it a rest for a while.
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The thought did cross my mind :P
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Members and non-members are all welcome in the public pages :-) Keep er comin matt.
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How many gallons is this for?
The grain bill seems a little high for 10 US gallons.
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Gents- I was under the impression that club membership was required to make use of club resources, such as the yeast bank, club equipment, group buys, club meetings. As far as I understand, particiipation in a fourm is up to individuals. If you don't want to answer my questions, then don't.
I found this forum when Dave Savoie pointed me toward it. I've been a once annual brewer for 3-4 years. I'm finally getting to the point of brewing more frequently, and I'm pretty excited. I thought I would buy a membership if I end up in a position to use club resources.
Sorry to have offended anybody.
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How many gallons is this for?
The grain bill seems a little high for 10 US gallons.
15 gallons
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Forum is forum, club is club. The two are separate in function. Glad to have you here either way, matt.
Next person to tell him about the membership fee gets a Budweiser can for an avatar.
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:lol:
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matt_wolf - I'm very interested to hear what you end up with for a grain bill if you go ahead with this, even more interested to hear how it turns out - pleased you're here either way... hope you post your results?
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You've not offended anybody matt_wolf, it was a joke concerning Richard, making him out to be an automated beer analysis machine.
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No offense taken at all Matt and you're more than welcome to post anytime, like everyone else is.
Back to your grain bill...
Have you ever calculated your mash efficiency to get a rough idea of how much grain you need to hit a certain gravity at a certain volume?
To hit 1.051 at the grain mass you specified, you'd only be getting 41% efficiency....that's pretty darn low.
If you're really unsure, you might want to start with 60% as a guess and calculate your grain bill from that...if it's higher, it's always easier to dilute your boil down to the gravity you're aiming for.
There are a ton of efficiency calculators out there, but here's one just in case:
http://www.brewersfriend.com/brewhouse-efficiency/ (http://www.brewersfriend.com/brewhouse-efficiency/)
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All I can say is that if you want that picaroons twang, you gota use ringwood ... either way this looks like it would be a great beer with any of the 3 yeasts mentioned, but I'd suggest ringwood if you're looking to clone
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To be perfectly honest, I could do without the Ringwood twang in this one. I'll have fresh s-04 slurry, so I think I'll use that.
I promise to post results- I'm looking forward to being able to contribute here, rather than just keep asking newbie questions.
If the stars align, I should be able to brew this one on the 28th.
I havn't calculated efficiency. I'm sure I'm way low. Brewing once or twice a year, a couple sacks of malt lasts quite a while, so I havn't been too concerned with the finer points- more with just trying to make good beer. Hoping to change all this in the next little while.
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I'd recommend taking the 3-4 minutes it takes to fill out the efficiency form on the link I sent you before doing brews. It really helps you hit close to your mark on original gravity. before I started using it, I would literally hit anywhere between 10 points above or below what I was aiming for.
I remember my buddies used to watch me brew and ask what the alcohol % was going to be in this batch, and I'd say "oh, somewhere between 5% and 7%...hehe! Now I'm pretty much bang on my targets as I know what my typical efficiency is.
To keep things even more on target, I will go as far as to add water to the boil to lower a gravity that is too high, or add a portion of light dry malt extract to add to gravity that is too low.
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Wow, I'm filin that link away for later Fakr, thanks :).
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No problem!
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thanks for the link- lots of useful stuff there!
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Even if you use ringwood you won't have the picaroons flavor. I've brewed with ringwood many time even using 3-4 generations still no pics flavor.
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Theirs does seem to have a stronger diacetyl signature, in addition to being a little bit twangy. It's possible that their profile is due to the pitching rates involved, nutrients, oxygenation, or a dozen other factors that govern the way a yeast spits out flavour.
If I recall from the tour - they use a 30 micron filter. So long as he didn't mean point-30, that means there should still be yeast in the bottles. Hell if someone were to surreptitiously take a sample from the next cask fermented batch we could get it into the library and settle this once and for all :P
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Didn't Kyle culture yeast from a bottle of Best Bitter?
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I assume that never made it to the yeast library, as I've not heard any mention of it being there.
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it was actually fairly easy to culture the yeast from the best bitter, so I / we can do it again, I'm sure. That one never made it to the library due to me forgetting about it. Pic's uses a 30micron filter, so culturing is certainy achievable again.