New Brunswick Craft Brewers Association
Beer Recipes and Food => All Grain => 10 - American Ale => Topic started by: Richard on August 19, 2011, 12:10:48 PM
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Making 12gal of this today to re-fill the ailing pipelines.
11lbs 2-Row.
1lb Wheat Malt.
0.5 lb C40.
First 6 Gallons:
1oz Crystal 9% @ 60
1oz Crystal 9% @ 20
1oz Crystal 9% @ Flame-out.
IBUs: 30
Second 6 Gallons:
2oz Fuggles 4.5% @ 60
1oz Fuggles 4.5% @ 20
1oz Fuggles 4.5% @ Flame-out
IBUs: 25
Mash 150F for 90 minutes.
Good pitch of S-05 slurry in both.
edit: pulled the white rice; turns out I'd run out.
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Is the grain bill repeated, or is this going to be like 2 or 3% abv?
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Repeated / doubled.
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Hopefully there isn't a shortage of S-05, Richard would go ape shit!!! :lol:
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Yeah it's definitely the house strain here :oops:
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12 gallons in one day. I'll be good for house ale for a while :D
Also, this has at least some academic interest to me - essentially the same grain bill + IBU count, but with two very different hop varieties.
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Both of these are very tasty, full bodied pale ales. The difference in taste from the hops is very distinct; a worthy ten gallon experiment :D
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which one tastes more like grapefruit, and do you have any bottled? ;)
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Neither of them really have much grapefruit flavour, as there wasn't any amarillo (or similar american hops) involved... Also not bottled, but I'll have some at a meeting once I get back from the UK :)
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nice ...I'd like to try them side by side to help my hops tasting education. when are you flying?
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Tomorrow O_o
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lucky bastard ....
2 weeks?
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Aye two weeks... not really a holiday though - technically I'm still at work. The wonders of Work 2.0.
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a change of scenery is always good ...especially when it's another country altogether, and one with real pubs too! i used to travel a lot, too much really, but now there's none at all I miss it.
so you'll be back in time for the meeting on the 17th then?
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Aye; I'm looking forward to some pub-time. Been a while :D
Gonna try to bring back some BrewDog stuff.
As for the meeting - sure will :)
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Ok I messed something up, I suspect an infection was lingering in my keg - the crystal batch is now showing signs of a brett or pedio infection (couldn't say which without a microscope, but it's the same critters that killed my watermelon ale).
Gonna leave the keg soaking in star-san whilst I'm away; ditto the carboy. I'm throwing away all of my soft gear (tubing, bungs, etc) and getting new stuff when I return. Not willing to let another batch go south for the sake of replacing a few bucks worth of gear.
Thankfully the fuggles version seems just A-OK.
Let that be a lesson kids... beware of infection!
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Cleaning out my Summer Citrus keg (Richard - you remember the one I got you to taste at Kyles - last meeting? Seemed like some sort of infection?) I found the post was a bit slimy - nothing I could see but it felt like old, sitting in the sun gunk - I may have used too much keg lube - but I think it got a bit of something else in there as well... food for thought that...
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My go-to procedure for suspect containers is oxyclean (24h) followed by star-san (24h). The acidity of the star-san eats any remaining oxyclean off any surfaces.
Like I said before man, it happens to everyone eventually.
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also, fully disassemble the keg and let the bits sit in cleaner, then scrub. That was definately infected, I could tell by smell alone. One time I got some supposedly sterile liquid malt extract that I used unboiled in a starter (dumb) and the batch was ruined in the same way. It was bacterial contamination.
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Did you replace the o rings when you got that keg?
JQ
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Actually I did replace the o-rings, cleaned the dip tubes, star san'd it all - but I did also get a bit liberal with the keg lube as well. After that I connected it, put it on 30psi and forgot it for 5 days - wups - then disconnected left the purge valve open a couple of days, connected poured / disconnected - open it up, put in pectin enzyme - connected poured / disconnected - put in gelatin / connected poured / poured / poured - swore !@#$ - poured - swore @#$!
You get the idea - somewhere in there somehow something went wrong. Although, I do have to say that even right after the boil this batch never did smell or taste right... I still suspect there might be something in addition to infection - I'm leaning towards the orange peel...
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my orange wheat beer still doesn't taste right either ...hasn't changed since you guys tasted it 2 weeks ago :(
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You both use the same source for orange peel?
Brew - if you added the peel at flameout, it's posible it somehow wasn't sanitised if your cooler is real good.
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My go-to procedure for suspect containers is oxyclean (24h) followed by star-san (24h).
Does leaving a supposedly-infected surface in contact with Starsan for 24 hours give a higher likelihood of killing bacteria than if you leave it for 60 seconds? Have you done any reading on that? You would think that if there's bacteria, and the Starsan comes in contact with them, they should be dead in the 30 seconds they recommend...?
Trying to figure out all the complexities of infection will just give too big of a headache, anyway, I guess.
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Probably not, it's more of a "take off and nuke the site from orbit, it's the only way to be sure" approach, plus I want to be sure that all of the oxy-clean has been stripped off by the star-san (I'd previously used vinegar as an in-between step for bottles before I realised the star-san was also acidic and did the same thing).
The oxy-clean definitely needs the full 24h to properly liquidise all of the crud.
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In a case like this (if I read through correctly), if there is an infection, do you find it difficult to decide if it happened b/w end-boil and fermentation, or afterwards?
I guess that's a dumb question... how would you know for sure? That's the problem with infection...
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http://www.midwestsupplies.com/media/do ... 0Sheet.pdf (http://www.midwestsupplies.com/media/downloads/309/Star%20San%20Tech%20Sheet.pdf)
Suggests that 2 mins is the maximum required, so I could probably shorten this to 2 mins + some shaking to nom up all of the residual oxy-clean.
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Yeah, I was just thinking about that... I think I had read something a couple years ago when I started all this about the max times with Starsan.
Just purchase yourself a Hazmat suit as well and you should be all set.
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I think I'll draw the line at Marigolds :P
Thinking about it, I should really roll with the lower times for star-san; for all I know the stuff could become ineffective after a while and re-introduce nasties.
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I don't think so... if you mix it with distilled water when making it up, it'll keep for a very long time and still be good to use. I always keep a spray bottle full of the stuff on hand for quick-sanitizing of spoons, auto-siphons, etc.
As long as it looks clear, and not cloudy, you're good.
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Where'd you see that info?
I've heard various people say things about both star-san and iodophor, with opinions on both being in the range of "that goes inactive after a while", "as long as it still smells like it did you're fine", "as long as it's not cloudy you're fine", "it's always good" etc.
I'd like to see the data-sheets - and will put them in the WIKI for prosperity if we can find them!
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Lord, you're not going to make me look that up, are you?
Seriously, it's been awhile... but I can say with certainty that I've read it in several sources, and heard it on some podcasts, too. But, being trained in evidence-based medicine, I know that's technically not good enough!
Personally, I buy a 1-gallon jug of distilled water, add 6 mL of Starsan to it, shake it up, and keep it under the sink. I'd say I use, on average, about 1 L per every session of brewing and bottling, and fill up the squirt bottle as needed.
If I can find a back-up source, I'll post 'er.
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I'm certainly not going to twist your arm, I'd just like to get it from an official source so I know I'm not perpetuating myths the next time I inevitably end up repeating it :P I've heard/read the same thing about the cloudiness, but never got it from a primary source.
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If you google Starsan and distilled water, lots of testimonials come up. And if there's one thing I've learned over the years, it's that testimonials are better than scientific evidence any day! That's why I use seaweed skin patches to lose weight.
Seriously, if I find it I'll let you know.
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OK - we did a bulk order of Star San (gone now) but they did send me the sheets (Tech and MSDS) - they are on google docs here:
https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B_tZdwW7FPcrNjE5OTY0NzctZDFiOC00MzlhLWIxMTUtNjRhMzhhMDVmYjc0&hl=en_US
Secondly, I'm at Costco with the wife and see a 12 lbs box of Oxyclean - says "multi-purpose"... is this the same stuff you are referring to? (I've always used Simple Green in the past for basic cleaning...)
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Where'd you see that info?
I've heard various people say things about both star-san and iodophor, with opinions on both being in the range of "that goes inactive after a while", "as long as it still smells like it did you're fine", "as long as it's not cloudy you're fine", "it's always good" etc.
I'd like to see the data-sheets - and will put them in the WIKI for prosperity if we can find them!
Basic Brewing Radio - March 2007 (http://www.basicbrewing.com/index.php?page=basic-brewing-radio-) - 2 Episodes on sanitizing with a few of the common brands, including "Charlie Talley from Five Star Chemicals tells us best practices in using household bleach and Star San in sanitizing equipment."
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Brew: yeah that should be the stuff - should be a tub of powder with a scoop thing. Failing that you can get it at Walmart under the generic name "Oxygen-Based Stain Remover".
Hawoh: Nice job man, thanks.
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Secondly, I'm at Costco with the wife and see a 12 lbs box of Oxyclean - says "multi-purpose"... is this the same stuff you are referring to? (I've always used Simple Green in the past for basic cleaning...)
That's the stuff i usually get. Its ALOT more expensive at walmart/sobeys etc. Saying that....those 12lb boxes usually go on sale for around $9 making the deal even better....but the reg price of $14.xx still isn't bad compared to the other places.